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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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from australia for science and reason

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here are your hosts richard saunders and

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hello richard hello stefan fancy meeting

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you here i was just at our favorite club

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down the end of the street as you can

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hear by the noise and here you are how

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about that i would just happen to be

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passing by and i was hungry and thirsty

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and i just thought hey i'll just drop in

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and have a drink and a feed and here you

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are what are the odds of that honestly

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miraculous amazing while you're here

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we can talk about the upcoming episode

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of the skeptic zone well why why don't

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we do an intro just it just as a matter

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of fact and you just happen to have all

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your gear here and the microphone

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headphones and everything on the

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internet through your ipad why don't we

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do that well i always carry everything

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around just in case well you do you are

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mr gadget man and uh and hey it's

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perfect because just this coincidental

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meeting here we are doing an intro and

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what actually what are we intro which

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which episode is it

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269. we're getting to the stage where

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we're going to start looking down the

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barrel of episode

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300 what three hundred that'd make a

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good movie title wouldn't it we could

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dress up as spartans and chuck chuck

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who do they throw down the big hole

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oh i can't remember the envoy of someone

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around somebody right yes i'm sure

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stefan that we could dress up as uh

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spartans and nobody wouldn't do a

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and it's and it's yes it's episode

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number 269 on the 15th of december not

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and not long till standards here again

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oh actually he's around the corner as

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you walk into the club sander is sitting

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there on his chair yeah actually that's

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surprising because i actually sat on his

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lap and told him what i wanted for

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christmas and uh he couldn't help me

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in fact he called the security not

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surprised

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no it's true it's um there's a lot of

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refurbished it we're in this brand new

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section it's very nice very nice yeah

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it's amazing what uh what poker machine

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money can buy isn't it just

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australia um new south wales is is poker

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machine capital of the world i think so

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it's like vegas sometimes yeah and and

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themselves community clubs because they

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santa's sitting there yeah and if

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children are sitting on his laps what do

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the pokemon machines and alcohol sales

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it's a wonderful inculcation for the

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children it's beautiful so 269 what's

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happening well we're going to have more

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of maynard's fantastic interviews from

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the national convention

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and thanks again and thanks always to

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those people who paid to get maynard to

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the convention it was fantastic

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listeners to this show i tell you what

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they're great animosity is is

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magnanimous it is there's no hang on

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uh you know that was really great of the

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listeners to do that and uh as a result

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more wonderful interviews maynard talks

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to dr paul willis now paul willis is on

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the show every week with a week in

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science of course that segment ah um

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what a scoop we have with him paul

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part of the zone now he's and and a

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great bloke a funny guy he was a big hit

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at the convention so maynard's going to

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be talking to paul willis about

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dinosaurs and all sorts of crazy things

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and then he talks to agent smith now

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national convention smith really there

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chatting to one of the agents myths oh

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briefly there and then uh catching up

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with the editor of the skeptic magazine

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here in australia tim minham and dr

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rachie i haven't seen her for a while

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either not in real life i mean i've been

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encountering her by the podcast but

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just came back from um in the middle

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east where she went out to research um

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algae and toxins and things oh and she's

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becoming quite the quite the personality

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as well with all her uh anti-back stuff

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oh absolutely she's a big name in that

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speaking of anti-vaccine there's a lot

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going on in in that scene in australia

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now there's i think the skeptical

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issue has just become like a national

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issue now it has and it's largely due to

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people like dr he and stop the avn and

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good people like that who don't give up

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struggle it's a long time now the

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politicians are talking the media's

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talking it's starting to happen it's

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that

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then after uh maynard's interviews it's

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paul willis again with the week in

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science how about justin

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we're exploiting him or what i think so

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sharon's going to be looking back at the

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year of crazy skeptical news stories

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some crazy skeptical like like bigfoot

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dna oh god if they found some have they

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we'll find out absolutely okay and loch

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monster can you believe that but no no

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this it's a lovely big hamburger with

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get stuck into your burger and chips and

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let's get stuck into the show let's do

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here's maynard's spooky action

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well who am i here with in the green

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room little boy you've been a busy man

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haven't you maynardo i have i've done

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i've done 40 interviews so far and i

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think you're going to hear them all here

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on the skeptic zone but who have we got

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hiding in the corner it's dr willis from

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the royal institution all right

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are you enjoying the conference i am

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loving the conference i'm not getting to

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see as much as possible because i'm

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for uh putting in for a bed for it that

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yes yes please go right ahead right

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all right okay um yeah there were people

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just signaling us there then wasn't it

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flat don't they oh yeah yeah yeah

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saunders cut that out okay see you'll

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for imagine what richard saunders he's

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gonna play her and put her away okay

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now now how did you get involved to be

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supporting the queen that's what

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concerned me immediately oh he's pro

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monarchy here he goes again but no it's

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that the one that's isaac newton and the

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faraday did all the experiments in front

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brian dunning there we do have

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the bank it is is a way of us being able

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highest and most impeccable standards so

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about some cash yeah but that was a long

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now what are you doing to stand on your

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own two feet there you've got the a week

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the skeptic zone but that's part of a

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larger world domination plan yeah it is

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figure out how to engage the nation in

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particular but the whole world with the

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what's the best way to engage the whole

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nation in discussions of science we do

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it all online so uh you know a lot of

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in

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regularly we get a quite a big audience

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overseas as well i mean look a good

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example

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is last month we had world vasectomy day

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we had

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17 vasectomies performed in our

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auditorium

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live to camera

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we broadcast them around the world and

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this was an opportunity for us to be

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able to talk about men's health about

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family planning about global population

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questions

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so we were able to you know it's an area

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that's probably too dangerous for

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mainstream media organizations to go

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into but these are conversations that we

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need to have

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we were able to go global by ourselves

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because of our connections to the

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internet with that but we were also

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picked up by the main newspaper news

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agencies including reuters who took our

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feed and distributed right the way

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across the planet did you have any idea

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how many people actually ended up

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watching

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well

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we tr

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our tracking of the live stream as it

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happened uh run it ran into the

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thousands

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but uh there's a a lot of

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beyond stuff there you know we did well

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we know that reuters took it around the

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world and many people picked it up

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particularly the main news agencies

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picked it up we don't know how many uh

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were there we're still getting feedback

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from

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all over the place saying oh we saw the

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rios on the television and um what was

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that a scrotum all about you know

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so what was the issue that came out of

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that day because you said you raised

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some of the issues that might have come

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up for world vasectomy day was there an

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issue that came up or a topic that was

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spoken about that you wouldn't even

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imagine would have got spoken about that

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because you were doing it came

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the

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real

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uh take-home message is that uh

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the

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um

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uh

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birth control birth control yes a man's

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man's role in birth control is often

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forgotten about

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a vasectomy is the easiest simplest

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cheapest most reliable form of

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contraception

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uh and yet

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we still would also be the safest as

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well yeah yeah i mean uh it it it's such

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a simple operation we were able to do it

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in public it takes about 15 minutes

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go to oh post-operative care have a

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weekend on the couch watching the sport

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that's all you need to get over it you

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know and that's for a lifetime of

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of safe uh contraception

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you know too often

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the burden of contraception is pushed

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onto women

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and the methods of contraception such as

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the pill uh tubaligation

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all of those

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anything you do to a woman for

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contraception is not really very good

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for her whereas a snip for a bloke it

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makes no difference to a man's life

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whatsoever other than he just

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doesn't have five tadpoles anymore you

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know and then gets to sit around for two

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days just feeling like he's being kicked

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in the balls really hard uh no it's not

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even that not even there no in fact one

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of the guys who's at this convention

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uh was the first guy on the slab for us

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on the day and uh he said oh look the

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weekend it was a little bit sore down

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there but most uh most of all he just

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didn't really notice any difference at

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all but see even us talking about it and

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you guys talking about it that day

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that's a great thing i mean

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now were you doing much with because i

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mentioned the abc would cover when we're

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talking generally the subjects you deal

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with there in the society what about

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commercial radio could you get much

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traction on commercial radio and getting

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onto commercial tv about what you're

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doing

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uh well

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i know that we did get into the news

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bulletins of commercial radio

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uh some some news bulletins uh

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we certainly made uh all of the

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commercial

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television news bulletins uh as well as

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sbs and abc

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but uh you know look

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any message is only going to have

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a a a specific audience you know

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and uh

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would

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although

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it would be good to be able to get these

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things discussed on uh something like

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nova fm you know um

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chances of actually getting

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it up there

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is pretty slim i would have thought so

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you know

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i thought we did we did pretty good

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being able to get into the news

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bulletins of of these uh of commercial

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radio but but also television

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what's your next project you have a few

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things on the boiler there is there one

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you can talk about because we want to we

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want to give it a free kick here on the

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skeptic zone look uh all i can say is

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watch this space we've got some pretty

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big uh initiatives coming up that are

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going to have both

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an international and national impact

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and if you just keep

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within those a week in science podcasts

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we do uh highlight upcoming events uh if

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you tune in to the roils website

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riaus.org dot um

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you can see what's coming up and and get

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involved that way

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you are mad crazy about dinosaurs you're

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a dinosaur nut you're crazy for them you

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like the pterodactyl the pedestals about

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who you have you love them all

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yeah yeah i found my first fossil when i

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was six and i've been uh you know a

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paleontologist ever since and what's the

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one you'd like to find is there a uh

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missing uh missing one from our current

429
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little library you'd like to wouldn't

430
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mind uncovering that look maynard it's

431
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not so much that there's one in

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particular i'd like to find the thing i

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most want to know about dinosaurs

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what do they taste like ah wouldn't that

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be a feast you know yeah

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i know whenever i think about dinosaurs

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i think of all the large plants around

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then and we didn't have grasses then

439
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dude they were just big big plants no

440
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grass yeah so there weren't very much

441
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places to hide were there really um well

442
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there were forests

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there was some pretty big

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pine trees and and that sort of thing

445
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knocking around that's

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see but if your chances of bringing one

447
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down needing it might not have been that

448
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good even with

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maybe maybe you just pick on a small one

450
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don't forget if you took

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one of every dinosaur that we know of

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and average their size the average

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dinosaur would be about the size of a

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sheep oh really yeah

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there are a lot of small dinosaurs if

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you throw the birds in there which are

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dinosaurs as well uh it gets even

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smaller but so the brontosaurus has just

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been just had a really good press agent

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well actually the brontosaurus is one of

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the most mixed up dinosaurs of history

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because uh flintstones mainly well they

463
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had to change the name

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um they uh when they originally put a

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skeleton on display they put the wrong

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head on it uh you know brontosaurus is a

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real basket case and unfortunately it's

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one of the most popular dinosaurs so

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we don't talk about brontosaurus anymore

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we talk about apatosaurus oh okay now

471
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has this got anything to do with the

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flintstones the fact that it was

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watching them it was sentient and had

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evolved enough to watch drive-in movies

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with the other cave me pool no only

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you're suggesting a hanna-barbera had a

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few creationists too yeah almost

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certainly yeah

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look and who was hotter uh wilma or

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betty

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oh

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you know that's a tough one yeah yeah i

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was uh i always liked uh what was it bam

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bam

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okay

486
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he was direct yeah to the point he was

487
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uncomplicated exactly you know he was he

488
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was a man's caveman and you asked

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yourself so what do you want just bang

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one or twice for and that was it that

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was it there was no maybe no if no butts

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that was it

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very uncomplicated fella very zero on

494
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one kind of guy exactly yeah yeah the

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digital yeah now what are you looking

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forward to the rest of the sunday here a

497
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little bit of time here left at the

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convention well i've got to pull my

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finger out because i'm doing the last

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presentation and i'm not entirely sure

501
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what i'm going to be talking about but

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uh

503
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look i i've i've said that i'll talk

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about the future of skeptical thought

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and

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my take home message is three words more

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positive stuff

508
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we've got to do a lot more stuff

509
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first of all we've actually been handed

510
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something that we've been wanting for a

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very long time and that is a marketplace

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of ideas

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so we really need to get out there and

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start operating in that marketplace

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we're doing a lot more stuff

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doing a lot more positive stuff you know

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people are pretty

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uh fed up with a bunch of know-it-all

519
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naysayers coming in telling them what's

520
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wrong with the world

521
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and we've got a lot of positive stuff to

522
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offer why don't we put our best foot

523
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forward and say we are about rational

524
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thinking we are about evidence we are

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about being able to uh interact with the

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world in a way that's actually

527
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verifiable these are the positive

528
00:19:02,310 --> 00:19:01,200
messages that we need to talk about i

529
00:19:04,549 --> 00:19:02,320
mean but part of the problem you've got

530
00:19:07,110 --> 00:19:04,559
is that the press likes a negative story

531
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i mean like you know skeptics say that

532
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uh you know

533
00:19:12,070 --> 00:19:09,840
search for the evidence that's not very

534
00:19:13,909 --> 00:19:12,080
good where they go skeptics say dot dot

535
00:19:15,110 --> 00:19:13,919
dot has lack of evidence is more like a

536
00:19:17,110 --> 00:19:15,120
story they run

537
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yeah but you know

538
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so

539
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that's the old media i'm talking about

540
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operating in the new media environment

541
00:19:25,270 --> 00:19:23,280
you know and there's a different set of

542
00:19:27,029 --> 00:19:25,280
rules there because it's it is a

543
00:19:29,430 --> 00:19:27,039
marketplace of ideas it's not a

544
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marketplace that the dollar is the is

545
00:19:33,270 --> 00:19:32,000
the functional unit but the idea is a

546
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functional unit of the online

547
00:19:40,310 --> 00:19:37,520
environment now uh if you go to uh you

548
00:19:43,270 --> 00:19:40,320
know where do skeptics turn up in the

549
00:19:44,310 --> 00:19:43,280
old media you know they they turn up on

550
00:19:46,710 --> 00:19:44,320
uh

551
00:19:50,310 --> 00:19:46,720
today tonight or a current affair or

552
00:19:53,029 --> 00:19:50,320
those kinds of uh programs and usually

553
00:19:53,830 --> 00:19:53,039
they're out there nay saying something

554
00:19:55,909 --> 00:19:53,840
and

555
00:19:57,990 --> 00:19:55,919
if it pleases the producers to make the

556
00:20:00,070 --> 00:19:58,000
skeptic look like a dick that's exactly

557
00:20:02,789 --> 00:20:00,080
what they will do you know

558
00:20:05,990 --> 00:20:02,799
on the online environment we can do what

559
00:20:08,549 --> 00:20:06,000
we want we can say what we want to say

560
00:20:10,870 --> 00:20:08,559
we can present ourselves how we want to

561
00:20:12,950 --> 00:20:10,880
be presented and i think that that's

562
00:20:14,150 --> 00:20:12,960
exactly where the future of skeptical

563
00:20:16,789 --> 00:20:14,160
thought lies

564
00:20:18,950 --> 00:20:16,799
how do we present a positive image to

565
00:20:21,430 --> 00:20:18,960
the world that's creative rather than

566
00:20:25,110 --> 00:20:21,440
destructive and where could we see how

567
00:20:26,990 --> 00:20:25,120
you're creating this online uh again um

568
00:20:30,390 --> 00:20:27,000
i would go to

569
00:20:34,070 --> 00:20:30,400
rioz.org.iu where we have blogs we have

570
00:20:36,070 --> 00:20:34,080
videos we have all kinds of uh ways of

571
00:20:37,430 --> 00:20:36,080
keeping up to date with the latest

572
00:20:39,590 --> 00:20:37,440
science and not just keeping up to date

573
00:20:40,950 --> 00:20:39,600
but also being able to interact with it

574
00:20:43,270 --> 00:20:40,960
i mean this is the real joy of the

575
00:20:45,590 --> 00:20:43,280
online environment it's no longer

576
00:20:47,190 --> 00:20:45,600
science communication it's no longer a

577
00:20:49,350 --> 00:20:47,200
buffing on a box talking about his

578
00:20:51,830 --> 00:20:49,360
favorite subatomic particle it's the

579
00:20:54,630 --> 00:20:51,840
bottom on stage

580
00:20:56,870 --> 00:20:54,640
and the audience asking the questions

581
00:20:57,830 --> 00:20:56,880
they want to ask and because we we're

582
00:20:59,430 --> 00:20:57,840
online

583
00:21:01,990 --> 00:20:59,440
that that audience can be spread around

584
00:21:02,950 --> 00:21:02,000
the the state around the country around

585
00:21:04,470 --> 00:21:02,960
the world

586
00:21:05,909 --> 00:21:04,480
and so

587
00:21:07,909 --> 00:21:05,919
we can have a more

588
00:21:10,789 --> 00:21:07,919
constructive uh

589
00:21:14,230 --> 00:21:10,799
interaction there with the audience so

590
00:21:16,390 --> 00:21:14,240
that we what we end up producing is

591
00:21:19,190 --> 00:21:16,400
relevant information for for the

592
00:21:20,710 --> 00:21:19,200
audience now the two controversial

593
00:21:22,070 --> 00:21:20,720
questions that have gone through this

594
00:21:24,630 --> 00:21:22,080
entire weekend i've been trying to get

595
00:21:26,549 --> 00:21:24,640
some sort of incident started

596
00:21:28,950 --> 00:21:26,559
failed miserably but i have got two

597
00:21:30,230 --> 00:21:28,960
questions uh first of all if there is a

598
00:21:32,230 --> 00:21:30,240
conspiracy that there's a lack of

599
00:21:33,750 --> 00:21:32,240
evidence for that you would like to be

600
00:21:35,669 --> 00:21:33,760
real that you wouldn't mind if it was

601
00:21:38,310 --> 00:21:35,679
real what would that be

602
00:21:41,110 --> 00:21:38,320
uh so what what's the conspiracy theory

603
00:21:45,510 --> 00:21:41,120
i'd most like to be true yeah

604
00:21:48,149 --> 00:21:45,520
that is a tough one maynard um

605
00:21:51,110 --> 00:21:48,159
i've i've always liked the uh reptiloid

606
00:21:53,590 --> 00:21:51,120
stuff you know because it is it is so

607
00:21:56,230 --> 00:21:53,600
out there it is so wacky

608
00:21:58,470 --> 00:21:56,240
it is so bizarre and and and it's so

609
00:22:00,789 --> 00:21:58,480
obviously false

610
00:22:02,149 --> 00:22:00,799
that that's why i'd like it to be true

611
00:22:03,750 --> 00:22:02,159
because they're not just from another

612
00:22:06,230 --> 00:22:03,760
place within this universe they're from

613
00:22:08,230 --> 00:22:06,240
another dimension i know

614
00:22:09,830 --> 00:22:08,240
there is nothing that can possibly be

615
00:22:11,750 --> 00:22:09,840
true about it that's why i'd like that

616
00:22:13,669 --> 00:22:11,760
one confirmed

617
00:22:15,590 --> 00:22:13,679
the other question is doctor who related

618
00:22:17,190 --> 00:22:15,600
yeah and that is if there is a popular

619
00:22:19,590 --> 00:22:17,200
doctor everyone has got their own

620
00:22:22,149 --> 00:22:19,600
favorite or popular doctor who would be

621
00:22:23,430 --> 00:22:22,159
the unpopular doctor who

622
00:22:25,830 --> 00:22:23,440
oh

623
00:22:28,470 --> 00:22:25,840
look i'm not really a huge doctor who

624
00:22:31,669 --> 00:22:30,230
i've been keeping that very quiet this

625
00:22:33,750 --> 00:22:31,679
weekend because you know i've been

626
00:22:35,110 --> 00:22:33,760
surrounded by

627
00:22:36,390 --> 00:22:35,120
doctor who fans

628
00:22:38,710 --> 00:22:36,400
how tough do you think it's for me to

629
00:22:40,149 --> 00:22:38,720
say whovian all weekend that's not an

630
00:22:42,070 --> 00:22:40,159
easy word to say it sounds like you're

631
00:22:43,510 --> 00:22:42,080
doing a vacuum cleaner ad

632
00:22:45,029 --> 00:22:43,520
yeah um

633
00:22:48,870 --> 00:22:45,039
you know i i

634
00:22:52,630 --> 00:22:48,880
uh grew up on john pertwee as the doctor

635
00:22:55,190 --> 00:22:52,640
um and uh lost track of it with tom

636
00:22:56,230 --> 00:22:55,200
baker um

637
00:22:59,190 --> 00:22:56,240
and

638
00:23:01,350 --> 00:22:59,200
i've really it's only been the last

639
00:23:03,669 --> 00:23:01,360
year or so that my son's been getting

640
00:23:06,230 --> 00:23:03,679
into doctor who and i've started

641
00:23:09,110 --> 00:23:06,240
following along on david tennant and and

642
00:23:11,190 --> 00:23:09,120
matt price is it matt matt smith matt

643
00:23:12,870 --> 00:23:11,200
smith yeah matt smith say i'm i'm not

644
00:23:15,270 --> 00:23:12,880
hopeless with it and

645
00:23:16,789 --> 00:23:15,280
if so for you in some ways tom baker was

646
00:23:19,270 --> 00:23:16,799
the unpopular doctor because he didn't

647
00:23:20,710 --> 00:23:19,280
hold you i'll tell you one that i want

648
00:23:22,710 --> 00:23:20,720
to track down

649
00:23:25,909 --> 00:23:22,720
and he's obviously the most unpopular

650
00:23:27,830 --> 00:23:25,919
doctor because he's never um he never

651
00:23:29,909 --> 00:23:27,840
comes up in these conversations about

652
00:23:32,230 --> 00:23:29,919
all the past doctors

653
00:23:36,310 --> 00:23:32,240
and that is it was it peter cushing who

654
00:23:38,789 --> 00:23:36,320
actually played doctor who in the movie

655
00:23:40,870 --> 00:23:38,799
yes and i think it was the

656
00:23:42,230 --> 00:23:40,880
peter cushing it was one of those

657
00:23:44,710 --> 00:23:42,240
classic old

658
00:23:46,789 --> 00:23:44,720
um actors and he never gets to look in

659
00:23:48,549 --> 00:23:46,799
so he must be the most unpopular one

660
00:23:50,870 --> 00:23:48,559
okay well you get up there i hope your

661
00:23:53,190 --> 00:23:50,880
talk's popular i hope you look if i look

662
00:23:54,870 --> 00:23:53,200
two words gaga if you get some lady gaga

663
00:23:57,190 --> 00:23:54,880
into the end that would be good yeah

664
00:24:00,630 --> 00:23:57,200
well i'll do my best uh i'm working on

665
00:24:02,390 --> 00:24:00,640
my meat frock as we talk

666
00:24:03,669 --> 00:24:02,400
i'm talking to yet another agent smith

667
00:24:05,430 --> 00:24:03,679
there seems to be quite a few here this

668
00:24:08,070 --> 00:24:05,440
weekend and uh have you found it for

669
00:24:09,430 --> 00:24:08,080
these skeptics this weekend in canberra

670
00:24:11,750 --> 00:24:09,440
well we've been keeping tight control

671
00:24:14,070 --> 00:24:11,760
over the proceedings of course um we've

672
00:24:16,830 --> 00:24:14,080
had a a couple of incidents

673
00:24:19,830 --> 00:24:16,840
but those have been dealt with

674
00:24:21,110 --> 00:24:19,840
discreetly and without any fuss now just

675
00:24:22,549 --> 00:24:21,120
to your right there you haven't dealt

676
00:24:24,549 --> 00:24:22,559
with the incident of that man dressing

677
00:24:26,630 --> 00:24:24,559
like 70s tom baker from doctor who you

678
00:24:29,269 --> 00:24:26,640
haven't done anything about that at all

679
00:24:31,190 --> 00:24:29,279
he's not harming anyone okay

680
00:24:33,430 --> 00:24:31,200
we see no reason to to suppress that

681
00:24:35,669 --> 00:24:33,440
kind of expression oh i see so you only

682
00:24:37,350 --> 00:24:35,679
have uh if someone came dressed as colin

683
00:24:38,470 --> 00:24:37,360
baker from doctor who that would be a

684
00:24:39,909 --> 00:24:38,480
different thing then we'd have to take

685
00:24:41,190 --> 00:24:39,919
action

686
00:24:42,549 --> 00:24:41,200
actually this this leads us to the

687
00:24:43,830 --> 00:24:42,559
question i've been talking to a few

688
00:24:45,990 --> 00:24:43,840
people i know you can't talk in an

689
00:24:47,990 --> 00:24:46,000
official capacity agent smith but do you

690
00:24:49,510 --> 00:24:48,000
think colin baker is the unpopular

691
00:24:51,190 --> 00:24:49,520
doctor or would you vote for someone

692
00:24:53,269 --> 00:24:51,200
else if you're voting for the unpopular

693
00:24:56,789 --> 00:24:53,279
doctor no i think colin baker is

694
00:24:58,470 --> 00:24:56,799
probably about the most unpopular doctor

695
00:25:00,710 --> 00:24:58,480
i've heard arguments for

696
00:25:03,350 --> 00:25:00,720
christopher eccleston and i've heard

697
00:25:05,909 --> 00:25:03,360
arguments for patrick trouten but i

698
00:25:06,870 --> 00:25:05,919
think in general it's it's colin baker

699
00:25:09,029 --> 00:25:06,880
that

700
00:25:10,549 --> 00:25:09,039
tends to get the most attention and also

701
00:25:12,070 --> 00:25:10,559
like he's a nice guy we like him at

702
00:25:13,669 --> 00:25:12,080
conventions no one's saying he's a bad

703
00:25:15,269 --> 00:25:13,679
actor it's just that something he

704
00:25:17,430 --> 00:25:15,279
brought to the role and a lot of people

705
00:25:19,430 --> 00:25:17,440
have landed on the writing as well i

706
00:25:21,830 --> 00:25:19,440
think there is a certain amount of blame

707
00:25:23,029 --> 00:25:21,840
to be put on the writers for that uh

708
00:25:24,549 --> 00:25:23,039
it's it's

709
00:25:26,070 --> 00:25:24,559
not something i have a great deal of

710
00:25:29,350 --> 00:25:26,080
experience with but it can't be easy

711
00:25:32,470 --> 00:25:29,360
writing a a science fiction tv show on

712
00:25:33,909 --> 00:25:32,480
the bbc for for 50 years

713
00:25:35,510 --> 00:25:33,919
even douglas adams had a run in with

714
00:25:37,350 --> 00:25:35,520
them doing it didn't he and he's not bad

715
00:25:38,470 --> 00:25:37,360
at writing yes for the the pirate planet

716
00:25:40,230 --> 00:25:38,480
uh

717
00:25:42,470 --> 00:25:40,240
it has been i don't think i've seen that

718
00:25:43,909 --> 00:25:42,480
episode since it was originally aired

719
00:25:45,590 --> 00:25:43,919
um i might have to go back and have a

720
00:25:47,350 --> 00:25:45,600
look at that again look look i hope it's

721
00:25:49,909 --> 00:25:47,360
an incident free day for your agent

722
00:25:52,230 --> 00:25:49,919
smith i expect so as i said we're

723
00:25:54,390 --> 00:25:52,240
keeping tight control and with any luck

724
00:25:57,190 --> 00:25:54,400
uh any outbreaks will be dealt with did

725
00:25:59,269 --> 00:25:57,200
i say outbreaks i'm sorry any incidents

726
00:26:00,789 --> 00:25:59,279
will be dealt with uh immediately and i

727
00:26:03,029 --> 00:26:00,799
see you've got your eye on the grassy

728
00:26:06,149 --> 00:26:03,039
knoll up there of course we always have

729
00:26:08,789 --> 00:26:06,159
our eyes on the grassy knoll

730
00:26:10,630 --> 00:26:08,799
because i always see tim tim endum

731
00:26:13,110 --> 00:26:10,640
behind the table selling t-shirts there

732
00:26:14,950 --> 00:26:13,120
how are t-shirts sale gone this weekend

733
00:26:16,549 --> 00:26:14,960
uh it's either five or five hundred i

734
00:26:18,630 --> 00:26:16,559
haven't catch the candidate

735
00:26:20,230 --> 00:26:18,640
quite a lot now what is what sort of

736
00:26:21,669 --> 00:26:20,240
flavor have the canberra skeptics

737
00:26:28,549 --> 00:26:21,679
brought to this national conference this

738
00:26:31,430 --> 00:26:29,830
they've actually organized it very well

739
00:26:33,190 --> 00:26:31,440
which has been very good

740
00:26:33,909 --> 00:26:33,200
uh it's been very interesting it's a lot

741
00:26:36,310 --> 00:26:33,919
of

742
00:26:37,430 --> 00:26:36,320
very very serious talks actually not

743
00:26:39,830 --> 00:26:37,440
that i've seen all of them because i've

744
00:26:41,110 --> 00:26:39,840
been selling the t-shirts behind the

745
00:26:43,350 --> 00:26:41,120
table

746
00:26:45,350 --> 00:26:43,360
no i'm not complaining no no no but it's

747
00:26:46,470 --> 00:26:45,360
been worthwhile doing that so but yes

748
00:26:47,909 --> 00:26:46,480
the ones i've seen have been very good

749
00:26:49,909 --> 00:26:47,919
very good presentations and a lot of

750
00:26:51,590 --> 00:26:49,919
them on this topic of conspiracies and

751
00:26:53,350 --> 00:26:51,600
things it's been quite fun a lot of

752
00:26:55,029 --> 00:26:53,360
people talking about graham wilson many

753
00:26:55,909 --> 00:26:55,039
simpson and his donkey uncover that's

754
00:26:57,350 --> 00:26:55,919
great

755
00:26:59,269 --> 00:26:57,360
i know i actually i didn't see the

756
00:27:01,430 --> 00:26:59,279
presentation but for your information i

757
00:27:03,190 --> 00:27:01,440
actually played in a stage play in

758
00:27:05,669 --> 00:27:03,200
primary school and i played a wounded

759
00:27:07,190 --> 00:27:05,679
soldier oh that was that simpson was

760
00:27:08,310 --> 00:27:07,200
looking after he put me over the back of

761
00:27:09,510 --> 00:27:08,320
a donkey

762
00:27:12,390 --> 00:27:09,520
and the kid who was the back of the

763
00:27:13,990 --> 00:27:12,400
donkey really got a bad back yeah yes

764
00:27:16,310 --> 00:27:14,000
there was two kids in the donkey suit

765
00:27:17,669 --> 00:27:16,320
and i was a wounded soldier so so you're

766
00:27:20,149 --> 00:27:17,679
one of the few people i've actually met

767
00:27:21,830 --> 00:27:20,159
that have worked with a pantomime donkey

768
00:27:23,830 --> 00:27:21,840
i did actually

769
00:27:25,029 --> 00:27:23,840
the the kids died soon afterwards

770
00:27:27,029 --> 00:27:25,039
actually it was horrible we did actually

771
00:27:28,230 --> 00:27:27,039
get a photo taken for the sydney morning

772
00:27:30,070 --> 00:27:28,240
herald

773
00:27:31,909 --> 00:27:30,080
and i was over the donkey

774
00:27:33,350 --> 00:27:31,919
and the sky playing simpson was beside

775
00:27:35,830 --> 00:27:33,360
and the kid was the front of the donkey

776
00:27:37,269 --> 00:27:35,840
had the the donkey head off and the poor

777
00:27:39,990 --> 00:27:37,279
kid on the back never got his picture in

778
00:27:41,590 --> 00:27:40,000
the paper so how would you be i was the

779
00:27:42,950 --> 00:27:41,600
back of simpson's donkey and that would

780
00:27:47,269 --> 00:27:42,960
be the name of his autobiography that

781
00:27:49,830 --> 00:27:48,390
and of course we've got dr raichi

782
00:27:51,110 --> 00:27:49,840
hanging around here too now do you want

783
00:27:52,310 --> 00:27:51,120
to eat that sandwich before we talk

784
00:27:54,389 --> 00:27:52,320
what's the story

785
00:27:56,230 --> 00:27:54,399
no it's okay i'll eat it while we talk i

786
00:27:57,990 --> 00:27:56,240
can do two things at once maynard but

787
00:27:59,510 --> 00:27:58,000
one thing i've never seen dr rayche do

788
00:28:01,190 --> 00:27:59,520
that she did last night was she actually

789
00:28:03,269 --> 00:28:01,200
ignored a dessert that was in front of

790
00:28:05,909 --> 00:28:03,279
her for hours you were sitting in front

791
00:28:07,830 --> 00:28:05,919
of a real live active dessert and you

792
00:28:09,669 --> 00:28:07,840
did not touch it

793
00:28:11,590 --> 00:28:09,679
well i'm actually not a sweet tooth i

794
00:28:14,630 --> 00:28:11,600
actually like food but not really

795
00:28:17,510 --> 00:28:14,640
dessert get out no seriously and in any

796
00:28:19,430 --> 00:28:17,520
case it was richard saunders dessert and

797
00:28:21,590 --> 00:28:19,440
the roth that would have come forth if i

798
00:28:23,510 --> 00:28:21,600
had eaten it would have been worse than

799
00:28:25,269 --> 00:28:23,520
enjoying the dessert anyway maynard so

800
00:28:27,350 --> 00:28:25,279
it just wasn't worth it look at now what

801
00:28:29,830 --> 00:28:27,360
has been the the standout moment here of

802
00:28:31,750 --> 00:28:29,840
the canberra skeptics um i've enjoyed

803
00:28:34,310 --> 00:28:31,760
all the talks i've been really eclectic

804
00:28:36,310 --> 00:28:34,320
i particularly enjoyed katan josh's talk

805
00:28:38,070 --> 00:28:36,320
on wind farm syndrome

806
00:28:39,909 --> 00:28:38,080
um i haven't seen him speak before so i

807
00:28:41,590 --> 00:28:39,919
was really looking forward to his talk

808
00:28:43,110 --> 00:28:41,600
and i just find out because we're in the

809
00:28:45,430 --> 00:28:43,120
green room he was a bit nervous wasn't

810
00:28:47,190 --> 00:28:45,440
he but he had no need to be he said that

811
00:28:49,190 --> 00:28:47,200
he always gets nervous before talks so

812
00:28:51,110 --> 00:28:49,200
and it kind of translates into nervous

813
00:28:52,789 --> 00:28:51,120
energy which is um common for a lot of

814
00:28:55,190 --> 00:28:52,799
people but um

815
00:28:56,950 --> 00:28:55,200
this whole wind turbine syndrome has

816
00:28:58,470 --> 00:28:56,960
only really surfaced in the last three

817
00:29:00,950 --> 00:28:58,480
years

818
00:29:02,310 --> 00:29:00,960
interestingly it correlated with wind

819
00:29:05,510 --> 00:29:02,320
farm

820
00:29:07,350 --> 00:29:05,520
lobby groups also becoming um quite well

821
00:29:09,430 --> 00:29:07,360
known so it wasn't until people were

822
00:29:11,110 --> 00:29:09,440
told that they might be sick that they

823
00:29:12,710 --> 00:29:11,120
started reporting they were sick so

824
00:29:14,389 --> 00:29:12,720
simon chapman who actually won the

825
00:29:16,389 --> 00:29:14,399
skeptic of the year last night at the

826
00:29:17,669 --> 00:29:16,399
dinner he did a study reporting that

827
00:29:19,430 --> 00:29:17,679
correlation so i think that's really

828
00:29:21,750 --> 00:29:19,440
interesting that until the power of

829
00:29:23,669 --> 00:29:21,760
suggestion came to play in this nobody

830
00:29:25,669 --> 00:29:23,679
really noticed there was anything wrong

831
00:29:27,029 --> 00:29:25,679
yeah and also focusing on other things

832
00:29:28,230 --> 00:29:27,039
that are happening in the hunter valley

833
00:29:29,909 --> 00:29:28,240
because there's a few wind turbines

834
00:29:32,230 --> 00:29:29,919
being putting around there there's also

835
00:29:33,669 --> 00:29:32,240
a ufo flap going down in the hunter

836
00:29:35,830 --> 00:29:33,679
valley in newcastle at the moment i

837
00:29:36,789 --> 00:29:35,840
heard about that now you reported on

838
00:29:38,389 --> 00:29:36,799
that did you

839
00:29:40,630 --> 00:29:38,399
spoke to ian kirkwood a journalist at

840
00:29:42,230 --> 00:29:40,640
the newcastle morning herald and he's

841
00:29:44,630 --> 00:29:42,240
been gathering people about the whole

842
00:29:46,310 --> 00:29:44,640
thing and he yeah apparently uh the

843
00:29:48,630 --> 00:29:46,320
western side of lake macquarie and

844
00:29:51,430 --> 00:29:48,640
gloucester seem to be two current ufo

845
00:29:53,029 --> 00:29:51,440
hot spots wow that's interesting yeah

846
00:29:55,190 --> 00:29:53,039
well interestingly where we are now

847
00:29:58,230 --> 00:29:55,200
maynard we're only 25 kilometers from

848
00:30:00,310 --> 00:29:58,240
the wind farm on lake george

849
00:30:02,710 --> 00:30:00,320
we saw it on the way here yeah yeah um

850
00:30:04,549 --> 00:30:02,720
so i i do feel a little bit sick this

851
00:30:07,029 --> 00:30:04,559
morning it may have been all the food i

852
00:30:09,350 --> 00:30:07,039
ate last night and perhaps the um cider

853
00:30:11,190 --> 00:30:09,360
i drank at the pub but no no i think

854
00:30:12,870 --> 00:30:11,200
it's definitely the wind farms so i'm

855
00:30:14,549 --> 00:30:12,880
going to have to report that to simon

856
00:30:17,430 --> 00:30:14,559
chapman to add to his list i think he

857
00:30:19,269 --> 00:30:17,440
said last night he's now up to 230

858
00:30:20,950 --> 00:30:19,279
diseases associated with wind farm

859
00:30:23,269 --> 00:30:20,960
syndrome

860
00:30:25,830 --> 00:30:23,279
is i can't find my pants on that list i

861
00:30:26,950 --> 00:30:25,840
don't know but if not you should report

862
00:30:29,669 --> 00:30:26,960
it to him

863
00:30:31,110 --> 00:30:29,679
you should he'll add it to the list

864
00:30:33,669 --> 00:30:31,120
look how much weight i've lost look look

865
00:30:34,950 --> 00:30:33,679
doctor my pants are just melting away i

866
00:30:36,630 --> 00:30:34,960
know it's amazing what have you been

867
00:30:38,070 --> 00:30:36,640
doing maynard um walking to work

868
00:30:39,750 --> 00:30:38,080
continuously and as i might have

869
00:30:40,950 --> 00:30:39,760
mentioned to you before doing the oprah

870
00:30:42,310 --> 00:30:40,960
thing which is not the oprah diet

871
00:30:44,310 --> 00:30:42,320
there's one idea that oprah gave me

872
00:30:46,389 --> 00:30:44,320
which wasn't even hers is to fat bust

873
00:30:48,070 --> 00:30:46,399
your house no chocolate no cakes in your

874
00:30:50,070 --> 00:30:48,080
house that bust your house yeah that's

875
00:30:51,510 --> 00:30:50,080
what she calls it fat bust your house

876
00:30:52,549 --> 00:30:51,520
when you said the oprah thing i thought

877
00:30:54,149 --> 00:30:52,559
are you jumping up and down on your

878
00:30:55,909 --> 00:30:54,159
couch or something that just i don't

879
00:30:57,190 --> 00:30:55,919
know that's a give that's the tom cruise

880
00:30:59,590 --> 00:30:57,200
thing

881
00:31:01,110 --> 00:30:59,600
you do that anywhere whenever the 7 30

882
00:31:03,110 --> 00:31:01,120
report comes on and go

883
00:31:05,750 --> 00:31:03,120
like that that's how excited i am by abc

884
00:31:06,950 --> 00:31:05,760
content

885
00:31:07,990 --> 00:31:06,960
yeah and so basically you just remove

886
00:31:09,909 --> 00:31:08,000
all your stuff from your house that

887
00:31:11,830 --> 00:31:09,919
might be bad which which means that when

888
00:31:14,710 --> 00:31:11,840
you do see it in the wild like here you

889
00:31:16,710 --> 00:31:14,720
go oh wow fantails oh wow biscuits so it

890
00:31:18,789 --> 00:31:16,720
doesn't actually help your willpower

891
00:31:20,070 --> 00:31:18,799
much because it's still just as bad as

892
00:31:21,590 --> 00:31:20,080
ever but it does take it out of the

893
00:31:24,070 --> 00:31:21,600
house so you don't go oh i'll just have

894
00:31:25,430 --> 00:31:24,080
a packet of scotch fingers before bed

895
00:31:27,830 --> 00:31:25,440
yeah that's a good idea and some

896
00:31:29,110 --> 00:31:27,840
biscuits as well well you should market

897
00:31:31,269 --> 00:31:29,120
that as a diet may not and you could

898
00:31:32,789 --> 00:31:31,279
make a billion dollars well it merely is

899
00:31:34,789 --> 00:31:32,799
just don't buy crap and put it in your

900
00:31:36,389 --> 00:31:34,799
house um i don't see how that that

901
00:31:38,230 --> 00:31:36,399
really could earn you any money at all

902
00:31:40,470 --> 00:31:38,240
no you can just make a little pop-up ad

903
00:31:42,710 --> 00:31:40,480
that says how to lose body fat weight

904
00:31:44,630 --> 00:31:42,720
use this weird tip and it could be you

905
00:31:46,549 --> 00:31:44,640
with no pants jumping up and down on the

906
00:31:48,630 --> 00:31:46,559
couch that's weird it's certainly going

907
00:31:49,990 --> 00:31:48,640
to put people off their food exactly

908
00:31:51,110 --> 00:31:50,000
look doctor have a good rest of the day

909
00:31:52,230 --> 00:31:51,120
have you got anything you're going to

910
00:31:53,590 --> 00:31:52,240
reveal before the end of the day you've

911
00:31:55,509 --> 00:31:53,600
got any controversial things that are

912
00:31:57,430 --> 00:31:55,519
going to are you going to unmask anybody

913
00:32:00,070 --> 00:31:57,440
i'm hoping i'll be unmasked to something

914
00:32:01,350 --> 00:32:00,080
i don't know i'm still i'm still sussing

915
00:32:02,630 --> 00:32:01,360
out what's going on here there's a few

916
00:32:04,310 --> 00:32:02,640
strange looking people that might be

917
00:32:06,710 --> 00:32:04,320
hiding something so i'll do some

918
00:32:09,029 --> 00:32:06,720
investigating maynard i love the guy

919
00:32:11,350 --> 00:32:09,039
that is a dead ringer for tom baker as

920
00:32:13,110 --> 00:32:11,360
doctor who oh my gosh yes there's a guy

921
00:32:15,269 --> 00:32:13,120
here today who's dressed up as tom baker

922
00:32:17,669 --> 00:32:15,279
with he's really tall he's got a really

923
00:32:40,710 --> 00:32:17,679
long coat on he looks amazing yeah i

924
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:52,470
foreign

925
00:32:56,549 --> 00:32:54,149
now on belfast fm we turn to the

926
00:32:58,710 --> 00:32:56,559
personal ads easing going and confident

927
00:33:01,269 --> 00:32:58,720
skeptic seeks other critical thinkers

928
00:33:03,350 --> 00:33:01,279
for fun laughter and good times must be

929
00:33:05,430 --> 00:33:03,360
willing to apply logic liberally and a

930
00:33:07,509 --> 00:33:05,440
good listener expect something new and

931
00:33:09,509 --> 00:33:07,519
interesting every month come and meet me

932
00:33:11,509 --> 00:33:09,519
in belfast in northern ireland if this

933
00:33:14,070 --> 00:33:11,519
sounds like you check out my profile on

934
00:33:18,389 --> 00:33:14,080
belfastskeptics.com

935
00:33:22,870 --> 00:33:20,870
welcome to a week in science from rios

936
00:33:24,350 --> 00:33:22,880
bringing you the science news you need

937
00:33:27,909 --> 00:33:24,360
to know

938
00:33:29,909 --> 00:33:27,919
2013 has been a weird year in science so

939
00:33:32,149 --> 00:33:29,919
we thought we'd bring you the highlights

940
00:33:36,789 --> 00:33:32,159
the low lights and the stories that just

941
00:33:41,269 --> 00:33:38,950
at number five researchers have found

942
00:33:43,909 --> 00:33:41,279
that we have a whole sense dedicated to

943
00:33:47,190 --> 00:33:43,919
smelling popcorn just like we have five

944
00:33:50,389 --> 00:33:47,200
categories of taste bitter sweet etc we

945
00:33:52,549 --> 00:33:50,399
also have ten basic categories of smell

946
00:33:55,669 --> 00:33:52,559
one of which is popcorn other categories

947
00:33:59,509 --> 00:33:55,679
include woody fruity and minty scents

948
00:34:04,630 --> 00:34:01,669
sorry lads but our number four weird

949
00:34:08,470 --> 00:34:04,640
story may not be good news for everyone

950
00:34:10,710 --> 00:34:08,480
it seems that size does matter

951
00:34:12,950 --> 00:34:10,720
researchers created life-sized computer

952
00:34:16,389 --> 00:34:12,960
generated images of male figures with

953
00:34:18,470 --> 00:34:16,399
varying um boy bits women rated the

954
00:34:22,470 --> 00:34:18,480
images as more attractive when it had a

955
00:34:26,629 --> 00:34:24,310
at number three is the case of the

956
00:34:28,470 --> 00:34:26,639
clapping disease audience members pick

957
00:34:31,030 --> 00:34:28,480
up the clapping infection from the

958
00:34:33,510 --> 00:34:31,040
volume of other people's applause and

959
00:34:35,589 --> 00:34:33,520
will continue until one person decides

960
00:34:37,669 --> 00:34:35,599
that they've clapped for long enough the

961
00:34:39,430 --> 00:34:37,679
disease-like spread of clapping means

962
00:34:41,829 --> 00:34:39,440
that there is no relationship between

963
00:34:44,710 --> 00:34:41,839
the duration of applause and the quality

964
00:34:46,470 --> 00:34:44,720
of the performance

965
00:34:48,950 --> 00:34:46,480
if you think the clapping store is weird

966
00:34:51,030 --> 00:34:48,960
you're gonna love number two a study of

967
00:34:53,030 --> 00:34:51,040
dogs wagging their tails

968
00:34:54,950 --> 00:34:53,040
italian researchers found that dogs

969
00:34:57,190 --> 00:34:54,960
behave differently when their mates wag

970
00:34:59,750 --> 00:34:57,200
their tails to the right than when they

971
00:35:02,150 --> 00:34:59,760
wag them to the left this direction of

972
00:35:04,710 --> 00:35:02,160
the tail wag could signify different

973
00:35:07,190 --> 00:35:04,720
doggy emotions indicating that they have

974
00:35:10,230 --> 00:35:07,200
asymmetrically organized brains just

975
00:35:14,829 --> 00:35:12,150
drumroll please

976
00:35:18,390 --> 00:35:14,839
our number one weird science story for

977
00:35:20,150 --> 00:35:18,400
2013 is the mothmobile japanese

978
00:35:22,470 --> 00:35:20,160
researchers this year developed a

979
00:35:25,430 --> 00:35:22,480
two-wheeled robot that can be driven by

980
00:35:28,470 --> 00:35:25,440
a male silk moth the moths steered the

981
00:35:30,710 --> 00:35:28,480
robot towards enticing female moth sex

982
00:35:34,310 --> 00:35:30,720
pheromones while the researchers

983
00:35:36,310 --> 00:35:34,320
monitored their brain activity

984
00:35:38,870 --> 00:35:36,320
that's it for this special weird episode

985
00:35:40,710 --> 00:35:38,880
of a week in science check out the full

986
00:35:42,829 --> 00:35:40,720
top 10 which we put together with the

987
00:35:46,030 --> 00:35:42,839
australian science media center and

988
00:35:49,990 --> 00:35:46,040
csiro on the rio's website

989
00:35:52,230 --> 00:35:50,000
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990
00:35:55,030 --> 00:35:52,240
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991
00:35:56,950 --> 00:35:55,040
like us on facebook i'm paul willis tune

992
00:36:14,470 --> 00:35:56,960
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993
00:36:19,589 --> 00:36:17,109
but questions is an award-winning weekly

994
00:36:21,670 --> 00:36:19,599
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995
00:36:24,150 --> 00:36:21,680
of crazy enthusiasts

996
00:36:26,470 --> 00:36:24,160
we are convinced that the greatest ideas

997
00:36:28,550 --> 00:36:26,480
in science are quite easy to grasp as

998
00:36:31,109 --> 00:36:28,560
long as they're presented with passion

999
00:36:33,589 --> 00:36:31,119
using a vocabulary common to all curious

1000
00:36:34,790 --> 00:36:33,599
minds whatever their academic background

1001
00:36:36,790 --> 00:36:34,800
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1002
00:36:38,230 --> 00:36:36,800
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1003
00:36:39,829 --> 00:36:38,240
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1004
00:36:41,670 --> 00:36:39,839
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1005
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1006
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1009
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1010
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1011
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1012
00:37:00,950 --> 00:36:57,359
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1013
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1017
00:37:29,430 --> 00:37:09,920
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1018
00:37:33,670 --> 00:37:30,870
well folks there's a lot of news out

1019
00:37:35,829 --> 00:37:33,680
there you can rely on quite frankly it's

1020
00:37:37,109 --> 00:37:35,839
good

1021
00:37:38,390 --> 00:37:37,119
and there's a lot of news that you

1022
00:37:40,470 --> 00:37:38,400
should doubt

1023
00:37:42,390 --> 00:37:40,480
we call that doubtful news well no it's

1024
00:37:44,550 --> 00:37:42,400
all mixed up and reversed in the

1025
00:37:46,790 --> 00:37:44,560
skeptical world on the line all the way

1026
00:37:49,109 --> 00:37:46,800
from new york i have sharon hill from

1027
00:37:51,109 --> 00:37:49,119
doubtful news hello sharon

1028
00:37:52,470 --> 00:37:51,119
hi richard actually i'm in pennsylvania

1029
00:37:54,710 --> 00:37:52,480
but close enough

1030
00:37:57,349 --> 00:37:54,720
all the way from business

1031
00:38:00,230 --> 00:37:57,359
i'm a little bit farther keep going fast

1032
00:38:02,150 --> 00:38:00,240
new york oh well let's see um i i'll

1033
00:38:03,910 --> 00:38:02,160
just say that in my time zone it's early

1034
00:38:06,069 --> 00:38:03,920
in the morning so i get pennsylvania and

1035
00:38:08,069 --> 00:38:06,079
new york mixed up all the time anyway

1036
00:38:09,670 --> 00:38:08,079
it's good to have you back on the

1037
00:38:11,109 --> 00:38:09,680
skeptic zone

1038
00:38:13,190 --> 00:38:11,119
it's great to be here

1039
00:38:15,190 --> 00:38:13,200
what an interesting year it's been in

1040
00:38:16,069 --> 00:38:15,200
doubtful news how's the whole doubtful

1041
00:38:20,470 --> 00:38:16,079
news

1042
00:38:22,790 --> 00:38:20,480
project going well we're never not busy

1043
00:38:25,430 --> 00:38:22,800
like you said there is always

1044
00:38:27,990 --> 00:38:25,440
strange stories out there and and news

1045
00:38:29,990 --> 00:38:28,000
to cover on pseudoscience and alt med

1046
00:38:31,829 --> 00:38:30,000
and questionable claims and the

1047
00:38:33,589 --> 00:38:31,839
paranormal all sorts of stuff that we do

1048
00:38:35,109 --> 00:38:33,599
at doubtful news so there's never a day

1049
00:38:37,589 --> 00:38:35,119
that goes by that isn't there isn't

1050
00:38:38,790 --> 00:38:37,599
something there in fact there are days

1051
00:38:41,829 --> 00:38:38,800
usually like

1052
00:38:43,349 --> 00:38:41,839
monday tuesday are quiet thursday is

1053
00:38:45,270 --> 00:38:43,359
ridiculous for some reason there's

1054
00:38:47,270 --> 00:38:45,280
always a ton of bizarre stories that

1055
00:38:49,349 --> 00:38:47,280
happen on thursday and we have like

1056
00:38:51,030 --> 00:38:49,359
seven or eight different weird things

1057
00:38:52,470 --> 00:38:51,040
going on we're trying to put those

1058
00:38:55,990 --> 00:38:52,480
stories up on the site so people can

1059
00:38:57,430 --> 00:38:56,000
hear about them first and and and and

1060
00:38:59,750 --> 00:38:57,440
actually give us some comments about how

1061
00:39:01,510 --> 00:38:59,760
they feel or extra information so always

1062
00:39:02,790 --> 00:39:01,520
busy here i don't think we'll ever run

1063
00:39:04,630 --> 00:39:02,800
out of weird news

1064
00:39:06,870 --> 00:39:04,640
i think you're absolutely right and this

1065
00:39:09,990 --> 00:39:06,880
year particular in particular has been

1066
00:39:12,150 --> 00:39:10,000
quite weird please please tell us about

1067
00:39:14,310 --> 00:39:12,160
uh the bigfoot news during the year

1068
00:39:16,390 --> 00:39:14,320
because i love i love that old-fashioned

1069
00:39:17,589 --> 00:39:16,400
skepticism like bigfoot it reminds me

1070
00:39:19,750 --> 00:39:17,599
when i was

1071
00:39:21,829 --> 00:39:19,760
12 years old

1072
00:39:23,750 --> 00:39:21,839
right it was it was again a huge year

1073
00:39:25,670 --> 00:39:23,760
for bigfoot and i don't think people

1074
00:39:27,270 --> 00:39:25,680
really understand how

1075
00:39:30,630 --> 00:39:27,280
maybe in other parts of the world how

1076
00:39:32,630 --> 00:39:30,640
popular bigfoot is in the u.s and it's

1077
00:39:35,829 --> 00:39:32,640
also it's also big in canada and it's a

1078
00:39:37,430 --> 00:39:35,839
it's a it's as the yeti is big in in

1079
00:39:39,750 --> 00:39:37,440
asia and

1080
00:39:41,510 --> 00:39:39,760
everybody knows about bigfoot it's an

1081
00:39:43,109 --> 00:39:41,520
icon and

1082
00:39:44,950 --> 00:39:43,119
with the television coverage that's

1083
00:39:47,270 --> 00:39:44,960
going on here in the us with the show

1084
00:39:49,670 --> 00:39:47,280
finding bigfoot we get

1085
00:39:52,150 --> 00:39:49,680
uh a lot of stories it's very popular

1086
00:39:53,349 --> 00:39:52,160
it's extremely popular in the media

1087
00:39:54,950 --> 00:39:53,359
and the stories that come out of the

1088
00:39:56,790 --> 00:39:54,960
bigfoot world are just

1089
00:39:59,270 --> 00:39:56,800
kind of insane

1090
00:40:02,550 --> 00:39:59,280
and this year we had the release of the

1091
00:40:05,190 --> 00:40:02,560
study of bigfoot dna results from two

1092
00:40:07,270 --> 00:40:05,200
scientists about two two reports came

1093
00:40:09,750 --> 00:40:07,280
out two two studies came out

1094
00:40:12,310 --> 00:40:09,760
the first one was by dr melba ketchum

1095
00:40:14,150 --> 00:40:12,320
she's a veterinarian and that came out

1096
00:40:16,069 --> 00:40:14,160
showing that

1097
00:40:18,630 --> 00:40:16,079
uh well she self-published a paper

1098
00:40:20,710 --> 00:40:18,640
claiming that the dna sequences that she

1099
00:40:23,510 --> 00:40:20,720
had that were supposedly from bigfoot

1100
00:40:25,430 --> 00:40:23,520
were actually a hybrid human and unknown

1101
00:40:26,870 --> 00:40:25,440
primate

1102
00:40:28,790 --> 00:40:26,880
well

1103
00:40:30,790 --> 00:40:28,800
uh there's so much background to this

1104
00:40:32,390 --> 00:40:30,800
story i couldn't possibly talk about it

1105
00:40:34,390 --> 00:40:32,400
all here because it goes on for more

1106
00:40:35,750 --> 00:40:34,400
than five years but her findings were

1107
00:40:38,150 --> 00:40:35,760
roundly dismissed for a number of

1108
00:40:39,910 --> 00:40:38,160
reasons besides the fact that it they

1109
00:40:41,109 --> 00:40:39,920
made no sense to other geneticists who

1110
00:40:43,349 --> 00:40:41,119
looked at the

1111
00:40:45,510 --> 00:40:43,359
data just in any sense

1112
00:40:46,310 --> 00:40:45,520
but still she's out there saying that

1113
00:40:48,950 --> 00:40:46,320
she

1114
00:40:51,510 --> 00:40:48,960
this is these are her results and

1115
00:40:53,270 --> 00:40:51,520
scientists should be looking at them and

1116
00:40:55,589 --> 00:40:53,280
along with that came some rather

1117
00:40:56,630 --> 00:40:55,599
question well very questionable video

1118
00:40:58,870 --> 00:40:56,640
and

1119
00:41:00,550 --> 00:40:58,880
of of creatures that were walking around

1120
00:41:02,150 --> 00:41:00,560
in the forest or sleeping on the forest

1121
00:41:04,790 --> 00:41:02,160
bed that actually looked more like

1122
00:41:06,710 --> 00:41:04,800
chewbacca from star wars

1123
00:41:07,510 --> 00:41:06,720
any real creature so

1124
00:41:12,550 --> 00:41:07,520
that

1125
00:41:15,190 --> 00:41:12,560
in my mind on the other hand we had a

1126
00:41:17,750 --> 00:41:15,200
geneticist at oxford university dr dr

1127
00:41:20,309 --> 00:41:17,760
brian sykes who was also followed during

1128
00:41:22,309 --> 00:41:20,319
his uh experimentation by the bb i got

1129
00:41:24,309 --> 00:41:22,319
the bbc but by a um

1130
00:41:27,030 --> 00:41:24,319
a network in the uk

1131
00:41:29,109 --> 00:41:27,040
who was chronicling his studies and his

1132
00:41:31,190 --> 00:41:29,119
trips abroad to determine whether the

1133
00:41:34,230 --> 00:41:31,200
samples that he was getting and studying

1134
00:41:36,550 --> 00:41:34,240
were actually from yeti sasquatch and

1135
00:41:39,589 --> 00:41:36,560
the almasti from russia

1136
00:41:42,150 --> 00:41:39,599
and that was produced into a tv show

1137
00:41:45,510 --> 00:41:42,160
and he also released this news in the

1138
00:41:48,150 --> 00:41:45,520
press and his results were fascinating

1139
00:41:50,069 --> 00:41:48,160
and in contrast to ketchum's everybody

1140
00:41:51,670 --> 00:41:50,079
was really taken by his results that

1141
00:41:52,710 --> 00:41:51,680
showed that there actually was a hybrid

1142
00:41:53,510 --> 00:41:52,720
bear

1143
00:41:57,670 --> 00:41:53,520
in

1144
00:42:00,630 --> 00:41:57,680
the tibet uh himalaya the himalayan area

1145
00:42:04,069 --> 00:42:00,640
that showed that it matched up with

1146
00:42:06,630 --> 00:42:04,079
very old bones from a polar bear

1147
00:42:07,829 --> 00:42:06,640
from svalbard in norway and so now

1148
00:42:09,349 --> 00:42:07,839
they're trying to figure out exactly

1149
00:42:10,710 --> 00:42:09,359
what this animal is and is it really

1150
00:42:12,550 --> 00:42:10,720
still out there is it really a hybrid

1151
00:42:13,589 --> 00:42:12,560
bear that people are interpreting as the

1152
00:42:15,109 --> 00:42:13,599
yeti

1153
00:42:17,589 --> 00:42:15,119
and on the other hand when he came to

1154
00:42:20,550 --> 00:42:17,599
america all the american samples both in

1155
00:42:22,630 --> 00:42:20,560
in canada and the us turned out to not

1156
00:42:26,069 --> 00:42:22,640
belong to bigfoot but by

1157
00:42:28,790 --> 00:42:26,079
belong to uh native normal animals so

1158
00:42:31,910 --> 00:42:28,800
big bigfoot news this year

1159
00:42:34,309 --> 00:42:31,920
it was a big news for bigfoot but uh in

1160
00:42:35,910 --> 00:42:34,319
the end not too many surprises there i

1161
00:42:37,670 --> 00:42:35,920
would suggest but you know what it gives

1162
00:42:40,150 --> 00:42:37,680
me an interesting

1163
00:42:41,750 --> 00:42:40,160
ironic warm feeling in the heart i think

1164
00:42:43,270 --> 00:42:41,760
there's still people out there camping

1165
00:42:46,630 --> 00:42:43,280
in the woods with their torches and

1166
00:42:49,190 --> 00:42:46,640
their guns hoping that some

1167
00:42:50,870 --> 00:42:49,200
big unknown hairy bigfoot will come

1168
00:42:52,230 --> 00:42:50,880
trumping by

1169
00:42:54,790 --> 00:42:52,240
and i think that this was a great

1170
00:42:55,990 --> 00:42:54,800
opportunity for skeptics to talk about

1171
00:42:58,470 --> 00:42:56,000
because

1172
00:43:00,150 --> 00:42:58,480
there were a lot of bigfoot enthusiasts

1173
00:43:02,309 --> 00:43:00,160
who were interested in what does this

1174
00:43:03,829 --> 00:43:02,319
what do these dna studies mean what what

1175
00:43:05,910 --> 00:43:03,839
does the genetics mean so it was a

1176
00:43:07,910 --> 00:43:05,920
chance for us to talk about real science

1177
00:43:10,630 --> 00:43:07,920
and how good science is done and how

1178
00:43:13,589 --> 00:43:10,640
poor science should be approached uh

1179
00:43:14,309 --> 00:43:13,599
looked at and criticized and that makes

1180
00:43:15,829 --> 00:43:14,319
for

1181
00:43:17,670 --> 00:43:15,839
better overall knowledge maybe you

1182
00:43:19,430 --> 00:43:17,680
didn't get the answer you wanted but

1183
00:43:20,950 --> 00:43:19,440
this is how science works so this was a

1184
00:43:23,589 --> 00:43:20,960
big opportunity for us to talk about

1185
00:43:25,910 --> 00:43:23,599
that as well yes how disappointing when

1186
00:43:28,550 --> 00:43:25,920
science doesn't back up your sincerely

1187
00:43:29,750 --> 00:43:28,560
held beliefs uh but also in the same

1188
00:43:32,069 --> 00:43:29,760
sort of um

1189
00:43:35,349 --> 00:43:32,079
going back to uh richard saunders at 12

1190
00:43:37,589 --> 00:43:35,359
years old uh vein we have the loch ness

1191
00:43:39,589 --> 00:43:37,599
monster hoax

1192
00:43:41,910 --> 00:43:39,599
yes it was also a big year at loch ness

1193
00:43:44,069 --> 00:43:41,920
uh there was a hoax photo that came out

1194
00:43:46,870 --> 00:43:44,079
from a tour boat operator named george

1195
00:43:48,230 --> 00:43:46,880
edwards now at first he touted it as the

1196
00:43:50,870 --> 00:43:48,240
best

1197
00:43:52,470 --> 00:43:50,880
uh photo of nessie that had ever been

1198
00:43:56,230 --> 00:43:52,480
out there and it was sort of just like a

1199
00:43:57,670 --> 00:43:56,240
hump in the water and the photo itself

1200
00:43:59,190 --> 00:43:57,680
didn't make a lot of sense when you

1201
00:44:01,349 --> 00:43:59,200
looked at it it didn't look like it was

1202
00:44:03,990 --> 00:44:01,359
moving and it didn't have

1203
00:44:06,150 --> 00:44:04,000
the feeling of it being an actual animal

1204
00:44:07,910 --> 00:44:06,160
soon after it was discovered by another

1205
00:44:11,510 --> 00:44:07,920
nessie researcher that it was indeed a

1206
00:44:13,750 --> 00:44:11,520
hoax it was a prop used by a tv

1207
00:44:15,750 --> 00:44:13,760
station or a tv production company to

1208
00:44:17,510 --> 00:44:15,760
produce what looked like the loch ness

1209
00:44:20,150 --> 00:44:17,520
monsters they were filming it and

1210
00:44:22,390 --> 00:44:20,160
edwards knew of this prop

1211
00:44:24,470 --> 00:44:22,400
and he had actually towed it during the

1212
00:44:27,109 --> 00:44:24,480
filming of that tv show

1213
00:44:29,349 --> 00:44:27,119
so he had deliberately used it to create

1214
00:44:31,430 --> 00:44:29,359
a hoax photograph now the interesting

1215
00:44:33,030 --> 00:44:31,440
thing that happened after that is he got

1216
00:44:35,270 --> 00:44:33,040
into a dispute with the local

1217
00:44:36,950 --> 00:44:35,280
researchers who run the loch ness

1218
00:44:38,710 --> 00:44:36,960
visitor center

1219
00:44:41,829 --> 00:44:38,720
who are leaning towards the fact that

1220
00:44:44,230 --> 00:44:41,839
nessie is not really a giant sea monster

1221
00:44:46,230 --> 00:44:44,240
or lake monster but a number of

1222
00:44:48,309 --> 00:44:46,240
different rather mundane explanations

1223
00:44:49,829 --> 00:44:48,319
maybe it's a big fish or it's a wave

1224
00:44:52,550 --> 00:44:49,839
effect or

1225
00:44:53,430 --> 00:44:52,560
logs in in the lock whatever so george

1226
00:44:55,349 --> 00:44:53,440
edwards

1227
00:44:56,950 --> 00:44:55,359
made a remark saying well nobody's going

1228
00:44:59,750 --> 00:44:56,960
to come to loch ness

1229
00:45:02,230 --> 00:44:59,760
if they think it's just a big fish

1230
00:45:04,470 --> 00:45:02,240
so he justified his hoax by trying to

1231
00:45:07,349 --> 00:45:04,480
bring more business into the loch ness

1232
00:45:09,510 --> 00:45:07,359
area and i thought that that was another

1233
00:45:11,670 --> 00:45:09,520
interesting spin

1234
00:45:13,829 --> 00:45:11,680
on a story that we normally think of as

1235
00:45:16,829 --> 00:45:13,839
just a lake monster story it actually

1236
00:45:20,069 --> 00:45:16,839
has more of a social

1237
00:45:21,910 --> 00:45:20,079
um threads throughout this we're talking

1238
00:45:24,150 --> 00:45:21,920
about economics as well as people's

1239
00:45:26,630 --> 00:45:24,160
beliefs so it's very interesting

1240
00:45:28,550 --> 00:45:26,640
yeah i i think that's fascinating and

1241
00:45:29,910 --> 00:45:28,560
again like bigfoot after all these years

1242
00:45:31,270 --> 00:45:29,920
there's still something going on with

1243
00:45:33,589 --> 00:45:31,280
these old

1244
00:45:35,750 --> 00:45:33,599
good old-fashioned skeptical uh topics

1245
00:45:37,990 --> 00:45:35,760
that i certainly remember now some

1246
00:45:39,109 --> 00:45:38,000
better news i i guess one would look at

1247
00:45:41,349 --> 00:45:39,119
it this way

1248
00:45:44,069 --> 00:45:41,359
is that some people

1249
00:45:45,190 --> 00:45:44,079
have ended up exactly where they belong

1250
00:45:46,710 --> 00:45:45,200
which is

1251
00:45:49,349 --> 00:45:46,720
jail and these are the people who made

1252
00:45:51,910 --> 00:45:49,359
these fake bomb detectors based loosely

1253
00:45:53,430 --> 00:45:51,920
on the idiom motor action of water

1254
00:45:55,270 --> 00:45:53,440
divining

1255
00:45:57,109 --> 00:45:55,280
right there were two trials this year in

1256
00:45:59,190 --> 00:45:57,119
the uk for the people who made these

1257
00:46:01,829 --> 00:45:59,200
devices and sold them for

1258
00:46:03,430 --> 00:46:01,839
exorbitant amounts to various military

1259
00:46:06,230 --> 00:46:03,440
groups and government officials across

1260
00:46:09,109 --> 00:46:06,240
the country across the world

1261
00:46:12,710 --> 00:46:09,119
and they were used in areas like iraq

1262
00:46:14,630 --> 00:46:12,720
and in thailand and in mexico

1263
00:46:17,109 --> 00:46:14,640
and particularly in the middle east

1264
00:46:19,829 --> 00:46:17,119
where they were used it's certain that

1265
00:46:21,829 --> 00:46:19,839
people were killed because bombs had

1266
00:46:23,750 --> 00:46:21,839
gotten through these checkpoints

1267
00:46:24,870 --> 00:46:23,760
because people had a false belief that

1268
00:46:28,390 --> 00:46:24,880
these

1269
00:46:31,190 --> 00:46:28,400
devices were able to spot explosives

1270
00:46:33,829 --> 00:46:31,200
of course they they didn't uh so i think

1271
00:46:35,829 --> 00:46:33,839
we're we're looking at a situation where

1272
00:46:37,430 --> 00:46:35,839
these these two men

1273
00:46:39,270 --> 00:46:37,440
who were charged and ultimately

1274
00:46:40,630 --> 00:46:39,280
convicted and sent to jail

1275
00:46:42,710 --> 00:46:40,640
deliberately

1276
00:46:44,950 --> 00:46:42,720
deceived the people that they sold this

1277
00:46:47,190 --> 00:46:44,960
device to they knew it didn't work

1278
00:46:49,829 --> 00:46:47,200
they must have known it didn't work yeah

1279
00:46:52,950 --> 00:46:49,839
and it was also it had been tested the

1280
00:46:54,630 --> 00:46:52,960
military officials who purchased it

1281
00:46:56,870 --> 00:46:54,640
should have done some background

1282
00:46:59,190 --> 00:46:56,880
information they didn't

1283
00:47:01,030 --> 00:46:59,200
uh there was possibly some bribing

1284
00:47:03,030 --> 00:47:01,040
involved

1285
00:47:05,349 --> 00:47:03,040
as well where they were officials were

1286
00:47:07,510 --> 00:47:05,359
bribed to to buy lots of these machines

1287
00:47:09,750 --> 00:47:07,520
under the pretense that they worked

1288
00:47:11,910 --> 00:47:09,760
so all in all it was just a horrendous

1289
00:47:14,390 --> 00:47:11,920
story and i was glad to see that these

1290
00:47:16,230 --> 00:47:14,400
men were found guilty and

1291
00:47:18,150 --> 00:47:16,240
ended up exactly where they belonged

1292
00:47:20,390 --> 00:47:18,160
because that was a good news story from

1293
00:47:22,710 --> 00:47:20,400
a bad news story i guess in the end yeah

1294
00:47:25,030 --> 00:47:22,720
and i think uh i'm i

1295
00:47:27,589 --> 00:47:25,040
think i made this point at the last

1296
00:47:31,030 --> 00:47:27,599
amazing meeting or somebody did it no

1297
00:47:32,309 --> 00:47:31,040
i'll just credit it no i think i do

1298
00:47:33,349 --> 00:47:32,319
that if

1299
00:47:35,430 --> 00:47:33,359
these

1300
00:47:37,589 --> 00:47:35,440
devices were given to

1301
00:47:39,109 --> 00:47:37,599
people like the australian skeptics or

1302
00:47:40,870 --> 00:47:39,119
groups in america and

1303
00:47:42,630 --> 00:47:40,880
for half an hour with the military

1304
00:47:44,470 --> 00:47:42,640
representatives we could have shown them

1305
00:47:46,390 --> 00:47:44,480
quite clearly that they didn't work it

1306
00:47:49,670 --> 00:47:46,400
wouldn't have taken that long

1307
00:47:52,710 --> 00:47:49,680
but they just never were properly tested

1308
00:47:55,589 --> 00:47:52,720
right they were eventually tested by mit

1309
00:47:57,829 --> 00:47:55,599
here in the u.s but also there is a

1310
00:47:59,990 --> 00:47:57,839
history of some skeptics being involved

1311
00:48:02,470 --> 00:48:00,000
there there was uh hal bedlack who was

1312
00:48:04,630 --> 00:48:02,480
in uh in contact with military at the

1313
00:48:06,230 --> 00:48:04,640
time who warned them these devices

1314
00:48:08,550 --> 00:48:06,240
didn't work and i don't believe that

1315
00:48:10,470 --> 00:48:08,560
they were used by the us military

1316
00:48:11,990 --> 00:48:10,480
because of that they were warned that

1317
00:48:14,470 --> 00:48:12,000
these devices did not work and of course

1318
00:48:17,109 --> 00:48:14,480
james randy had a hand in that as well

1319
00:48:19,430 --> 00:48:17,119
uh bruce hood in the uk was part of the

1320
00:48:20,390 --> 00:48:19,440
bbc team that investigated the factory

1321
00:48:22,470 --> 00:48:20,400
that was

1322
00:48:24,710 --> 00:48:22,480
near his residence and he became

1323
00:48:28,069 --> 00:48:24,720
involved in that so there were definite

1324
00:48:29,829 --> 00:48:28,079
skeptic input into this process so i

1325
00:48:31,510 --> 00:48:29,839
think we can claim some success in that

1326
00:48:34,069 --> 00:48:31,520
that we did get involved and something

1327
00:48:36,069 --> 00:48:34,079
did come out of it that's that's nice to

1328
00:48:38,630 --> 00:48:36,079
know and and people

1329
00:48:40,710 --> 00:48:38,640
you know can sometimes in the general

1330
00:48:42,870 --> 00:48:40,720
public or the media just regard skeptics

1331
00:48:44,710 --> 00:48:42,880
as the funny people or the the cranks or

1332
00:48:46,790 --> 00:48:44,720
the people who won't believe

1333
00:48:49,349 --> 00:48:46,800
where we have

1334
00:48:50,390 --> 00:48:49,359
good evidence behind us to suggest that

1335
00:48:52,950 --> 00:48:50,400
at least

1336
00:48:55,990 --> 00:48:52,960
consulting us or seeking our opinion

1337
00:48:58,630 --> 00:48:56,000
can um be a very good thing in general

1338
00:49:02,230 --> 00:48:58,640
um absolutely another example of that

1339
00:49:05,109 --> 00:49:02,240
was the stanislaus brzezinski yes case

1340
00:49:07,510 --> 00:49:05,119
uh just recently that came out in

1341
00:49:10,390 --> 00:49:07,520
america's largest distributed newspaper

1342
00:49:12,710 --> 00:49:10,400
usa today a huge expose

1343
00:49:15,270 --> 00:49:12,720
of brzezinski and his cancer treatment

1344
00:49:17,750 --> 00:49:15,280
center which promotes this use of this

1345
00:49:19,430 --> 00:49:17,760
chemical called antineoplastons

1346
00:49:21,349 --> 00:49:19,440
that has never been shown to work he's

1347
00:49:23,109 --> 00:49:21,359
been in trouble with the fda he's never

1348
00:49:24,950 --> 00:49:23,119
gotten his work published he charges

1349
00:49:27,270 --> 00:49:24,960
people absorb exorbitant amounts for

1350
00:49:29,190 --> 00:49:27,280
this treatment and it doesn't work

1351
00:49:30,710 --> 00:49:29,200
just recently a child died after

1352
00:49:33,270 --> 00:49:30,720
receiving this treatment which prompted

1353
00:49:35,030 --> 00:49:33,280
the federal uh the federal office the

1354
00:49:37,190 --> 00:49:35,040
food and drug administration in the u.s

1355
00:49:39,990 --> 00:49:37,200
to start to investigate dr berzinski

1356
00:49:41,109 --> 00:49:40,000
rather closely and this was definitely

1357
00:49:43,670 --> 00:49:41,119
prompted

1358
00:49:46,549 --> 00:49:43,680
by some skeptical activism

1359
00:49:48,549 --> 00:49:46,559
by people like david gorski and robert

1360
00:49:52,230 --> 00:49:48,559
blaskowitz and i think that they had a

1361
00:49:55,430 --> 00:49:52,240
huge hand in keeping the pressure on

1362
00:49:57,510 --> 00:49:55,440
the media to expose dr brzezinski and

1363
00:49:59,750 --> 00:49:57,520
for the fda to actually do something so

1364
00:50:02,549 --> 00:49:59,760
i think again we're seeing some

1365
00:50:04,950 --> 00:50:02,559
response from skeptical activism it's

1366
00:50:05,990 --> 00:50:04,960
very heartening to see that it is i i

1367
00:50:07,750 --> 00:50:06,000
think

1368
00:50:09,990 --> 00:50:07,760
we're not just a

1369
00:50:11,670 --> 00:50:10,000
knee-jerk reaction group either i mean

1370
00:50:13,430 --> 00:50:11,680
we do have to react when things come

1371
00:50:15,349 --> 00:50:13,440
along but we can certainly initiate

1372
00:50:16,790 --> 00:50:15,359
investigations and bring things to the

1373
00:50:19,109 --> 00:50:16,800
attention of authorities and i think

1374
00:50:21,190 --> 00:50:19,119
that's a very good use for uh skeptical

1375
00:50:23,190 --> 00:50:21,200
activities

1376
00:50:26,230 --> 00:50:23,200
what else do we have in the wonderful

1377
00:50:27,829 --> 00:50:26,240
year that was doubtful news for 2013.

1378
00:50:28,630 --> 00:50:27,839
let's look at one or two more and i

1379
00:50:32,390 --> 00:50:28,640
can't

1380
00:50:33,670 --> 00:50:32,400
who could

1381
00:50:35,990 --> 00:50:33,680
yeah

1382
00:50:38,790 --> 00:50:36,000
there was uh hers was probably the most

1383
00:50:39,750 --> 00:50:38,800
notable death this year

1384
00:50:40,549 --> 00:50:39,760
and

1385
00:50:44,870 --> 00:50:40,559
i

1386
00:50:46,630 --> 00:50:44,880
people remember that uh

1387
00:50:48,230 --> 00:50:46,640
when the queen made a speech one year

1388
00:50:50,630 --> 00:50:48,240
when she had a terrible year she called

1389
00:50:52,630 --> 00:50:50,640
it the giannis ripolis she had a

1390
00:50:55,910 --> 00:50:52,640
terrible year this was sylvia brown's

1391
00:50:58,630 --> 00:50:55,920
anna's horribilis she had a terrible

1392
00:51:00,309 --> 00:50:58,640
terrible year she was experiencing some

1393
00:51:02,230 --> 00:51:00,319
health problems as well she had had a

1394
00:51:03,829 --> 00:51:02,240
stroke so i think she was not in the

1395
00:51:05,349 --> 00:51:03,839
best of health but

1396
00:51:06,230 --> 00:51:05,359
what really

1397
00:51:08,870 --> 00:51:06,240
took

1398
00:51:10,390 --> 00:51:08,880
put her in free fall i think was the

1399
00:51:13,990 --> 00:51:10,400
case where

1400
00:51:16,150 --> 00:51:14,000
the woman in ohio amanda berry

1401
00:51:17,670 --> 00:51:16,160
was found after she had been held

1402
00:51:24,150 --> 00:51:17,680
captive

1403
00:51:27,030 --> 00:51:24,160
for a number of years but in 2004

1404
00:51:29,430 --> 00:51:27,040
brown had told amanda berry's mother on

1405
00:51:31,589 --> 00:51:29,440
the montel williams tv show that her

1406
00:51:34,390 --> 00:51:31,599
daughter was dead she had been missing

1407
00:51:37,430 --> 00:51:34,400
for over a year and sylvia said that

1408
00:51:40,230 --> 00:51:37,440
that barry was dead the mother died

1409
00:51:42,549 --> 00:51:40,240
thinking that her daughter was not alive

1410
00:51:45,270 --> 00:51:42,559
so when it was found that she actually

1411
00:51:47,510 --> 00:51:45,280
was alive sylvia received a tremendous

1412
00:51:50,150 --> 00:51:47,520
amount of negative press for that

1413
00:51:51,829 --> 00:51:50,160
and that did her absolutely no favors

1414
00:51:53,910 --> 00:51:51,839
even though the family sort of forgave

1415
00:51:56,470 --> 00:51:53,920
her for that it was just

1416
00:51:58,549 --> 00:51:56,480
a huge downturn in her

1417
00:52:01,510 --> 00:51:58,559
popularity and reputation

1418
00:52:02,549 --> 00:52:01,520
and then she passed away in in november

1419
00:52:04,870 --> 00:52:02,559
so

1420
00:52:06,790 --> 00:52:04,880
you know a lot of skeptics

1421
00:52:09,750 --> 00:52:06,800
feel that they're glad she's gone but

1422
00:52:11,829 --> 00:52:09,760
really we're just glad that her

1423
00:52:13,190 --> 00:52:11,839
that she has ended

1424
00:52:14,710 --> 00:52:13,200
the things that she does i mean it

1425
00:52:16,390 --> 00:52:14,720
didn't matter if she was

1426
00:52:18,230 --> 00:52:16,400
if she just stopped or if she died

1427
00:52:19,349 --> 00:52:18,240
unfortunately it took her death for her

1428
00:52:22,390 --> 00:52:19,359
to finish

1429
00:52:24,390 --> 00:52:22,400
promoting herself as a psychic uh but no

1430
00:52:27,270 --> 00:52:24,400
more sylvia brown and i hope i hope

1431
00:52:29,910 --> 00:52:27,280
we've turned a page i hope we could get

1432
00:52:31,910 --> 00:52:29,920
past these celebrity psychics the first

1433
00:52:33,670 --> 00:52:31,920
encounter i had with sylvia brown the

1434
00:52:35,270 --> 00:52:33,680
first not personally but the first time

1435
00:52:36,430 --> 00:52:35,280
she was brought to my attention was way

1436
00:52:39,190 --> 00:52:36,440
back in

1437
00:52:41,030 --> 00:52:39,200
1989 with the special testing psychic

1438
00:52:43,829 --> 00:52:41,040
powers live with james randy and bill

1439
00:52:47,510 --> 00:52:43,839
bixby she took part in that and when i

1440
00:52:49,750 --> 00:52:47,520
saw the segment i assumed that she was

1441
00:52:52,790 --> 00:52:49,760
an actress brought on to show how bad

1442
00:52:54,870 --> 00:52:52,800
cold reading is she was that bad on the

1443
00:52:57,109 --> 00:52:54,880
show

1444
00:53:01,109 --> 00:52:57,119
isn't it amazing she lasted for so long

1445
00:53:03,270 --> 00:53:01,119
it is well yes and no uh it it's a great

1446
00:53:04,870 --> 00:53:03,280
um indication that you don't actually

1447
00:53:06,870 --> 00:53:04,880
have to be any good

1448
00:53:10,630 --> 00:53:06,880
uh in the psychic or the cold reading

1449
00:53:13,430 --> 00:53:10,640
area for people to believe you anyway

1450
00:53:15,990 --> 00:53:13,440
let's round off the uh the look back at

1451
00:53:18,630 --> 00:53:16,000
the doubtful news for 2013 with uh a

1452
00:53:19,510 --> 00:53:18,640
story i just can't i just can't uh let

1453
00:53:24,630 --> 00:53:19,520
go

1454
00:53:26,870 --> 00:53:24,640
blow up a house and steal women's

1455
00:53:28,710 --> 00:53:26,880
underwear now we've all been drunk and

1456
00:53:31,670 --> 00:53:28,720
done that from time to time but what

1457
00:53:32,630 --> 00:53:31,680
what what's this story all about

1458
00:54:16,549 --> 00:53:32,640
i

1459
00:54:17,430 --> 00:54:16,559
can't really wrap my head around the the

1460
00:54:19,030 --> 00:54:17,440
um

1461
00:54:21,750 --> 00:54:19,040
explanation if people really think these

1462
00:54:23,829 --> 00:54:21,760
are real or if it's just sort of an

1463
00:54:26,150 --> 00:54:23,839
imaginary thing or like a curse or

1464
00:54:28,069 --> 00:54:26,160
witchcraft or whatever but at one point

1465
00:54:30,309 --> 00:54:28,079
there was this story that came out of

1466
00:54:31,750 --> 00:54:30,319
zimbabwe that this goblin was in this

1467
00:54:33,750 --> 00:54:31,760
house and they were trying to get rid of

1468
00:54:36,470 --> 00:54:33,760
it and it ended up they they blew the

1469
00:54:37,750 --> 00:54:36,480
house up and and people were injured and

1470
00:54:39,670 --> 00:54:37,760
i'm not sure if they were killed or not

1471
00:54:41,109 --> 00:54:39,680
i think somebody was killed

1472
00:54:42,950 --> 00:54:41,119
and then after that we started to hear

1473
00:54:45,030 --> 00:54:42,960
these stories about

1474
00:54:47,910 --> 00:54:45,040
uh children and teachers were being

1475
00:54:50,069 --> 00:54:47,920
harassed in schools by goblins and these

1476
00:54:51,510 --> 00:54:50,079
goblins had sort of a sexual nature to

1477
00:54:53,589 --> 00:54:51,520
them where they would attack the women

1478
00:54:54,549 --> 00:54:53,599
and they would like to steal underwear

1479
00:54:56,710 --> 00:54:54,559
so

1480
00:54:58,710 --> 00:54:56,720
it was it was just a very bizarre thing

1481
00:54:59,910 --> 00:54:58,720
and i i put these stories on doubtful

1482
00:55:02,230 --> 00:54:59,920
news just to bring them to people's

1483
00:55:04,069 --> 00:55:02,240
attention i don't claim to understand

1484
00:55:05,270 --> 00:55:04,079
what's going on here

1485
00:55:06,950 --> 00:55:05,280
i i don't want to make any

1486
00:55:08,230 --> 00:55:06,960
pronouncements about them but i'm just

1487
00:55:10,069 --> 00:55:08,240
sort of letting people know that there

1488
00:55:11,270 --> 00:55:10,079
is this these stories that happen in

1489
00:55:12,390 --> 00:55:11,280
other parts of the world that are so

1490
00:55:13,990 --> 00:55:12,400
strange

1491
00:55:15,990 --> 00:55:14,000
we can't possibly comprehend how people

1492
00:55:18,390 --> 00:55:16,000
could believe them but they do

1493
00:55:20,710 --> 00:55:18,400
wow how about that well

1494
00:55:22,710 --> 00:55:20,720
there's the travel advisory for zimbabwe

1495
00:55:25,589 --> 00:55:22,720
if you're going to zimbabwe watch out

1496
00:55:28,950 --> 00:55:25,599
for goblins hold on to your underwear

1497
00:55:30,710 --> 00:55:28,960
your female listeners whatever you do

1498
00:55:33,270 --> 00:55:30,720
keep a tight hold

1499
00:55:35,990 --> 00:55:33,280
and you might be all right it's it's a

1500
00:55:36,990 --> 00:55:36,000
wonderful thing to uh

1501
00:55:39,109 --> 00:55:37,000
go to

1502
00:55:41,109 --> 00:55:39,119
doubtfulnews.com and have a look at some

1503
00:55:43,829 --> 00:55:41,119
of these interesting stories from around

1504
00:55:46,309 --> 00:55:43,839
the world stories that are amusing in

1505
00:55:47,829 --> 00:55:46,319
times and very important at other times

1506
00:55:49,829 --> 00:55:47,839
i think and of course many of our

1507
00:55:51,910 --> 00:55:49,839
listeners would uh know your voice and

1508
00:55:54,950 --> 00:55:51,920
probably your face too

1509
00:55:57,510 --> 00:55:54,960
uh from the weekly what what do you call

1510
00:56:00,309 --> 00:55:57,520
it a vid cast a a

1511
00:56:02,630 --> 00:56:00,319
audio a video cast we kind of call it

1512
00:56:04,230 --> 00:56:02,640
just a hangout hang out with with

1513
00:56:05,109 --> 00:56:04,240
virtual skeptics

1514
00:56:06,630 --> 00:56:05,119
yeah

1515
00:56:09,109 --> 00:56:06,640
and we just sort a group of us get

1516
00:56:11,190 --> 00:56:09,119
together and we just talk about the

1517
00:56:13,829 --> 00:56:11,200
stories of the week and our our pet

1518
00:56:14,630 --> 00:56:13,839
subject areas and we read a bit of books

1519
00:56:16,870 --> 00:56:14,640
that we're

1520
00:56:18,470 --> 00:56:16,880
we're currently interested in and we

1521
00:56:20,630 --> 00:56:18,480
just

1522
00:56:22,870 --> 00:56:20,640
pick at each other and have fun it is

1523
00:56:24,630 --> 00:56:22,880
it's i was lucky enough to be a guest on

1524
00:56:26,710 --> 00:56:24,640
earlier on in the year and i set myself

1525
00:56:27,589 --> 00:56:26,720
up in front of my uh

1526
00:56:30,309 --> 00:56:27,599
my

1527
00:56:32,630 --> 00:56:30,319
ipad i think it was at the time with um

1528
00:56:34,710 --> 00:56:32,640
and hooked up to uh the hangout system

1529
00:56:36,630 --> 00:56:34,720
and there you all were were and there i

1530
00:56:38,549 --> 00:56:36,640
was and we had we had a great time and

1531
00:56:41,829 --> 00:56:38,559
if i'm very lucky i might even

1532
00:56:44,710 --> 00:56:41,839
uh come by again sometime in 2014.

1533
00:56:46,470 --> 00:56:44,720
yes that sounds great and 2014 another

1534
00:56:47,670 --> 00:56:46,480
big year ahead for doubtful news do you

1535
00:56:50,470 --> 00:56:47,680
predict

1536
00:56:52,549 --> 00:56:50,480
yes what will it bring we can never

1537
00:56:54,789 --> 00:56:52,559
we can't even imagine i try not to

1538
00:56:57,510 --> 00:56:54,799
imagine what what could possibly happen

1539
00:56:59,589 --> 00:56:57,520
but like every day i wake up and i look

1540
00:57:01,510 --> 00:56:59,599
at the news feed and something weird is

1541
00:57:03,829 --> 00:57:01,520
there it's fascinating and it's

1542
00:57:05,990 --> 00:57:03,839
interesting and so people should come on

1543
00:57:07,910 --> 00:57:06,000
over it and and visit every day because

1544
00:57:09,750 --> 00:57:07,920
we have stories up every day and you're

1545
00:57:12,230 --> 00:57:09,760
on twitter of course too

1546
00:57:13,510 --> 00:57:12,240
yes i have an account for doubtful news

1547
00:57:15,910 --> 00:57:13,520
which you should follow that's the best

1548
00:57:17,829 --> 00:57:15,920
way to follow us because all the stories

1549
00:57:19,670 --> 00:57:17,839
go there and sometimes commentary and

1550
00:57:20,470 --> 00:57:19,680
discussion that i have with with other

1551
00:57:21,829 --> 00:57:20,480
uh

1552
00:57:24,470 --> 00:57:21,839
twitter people

1553
00:57:25,670 --> 00:57:24,480
and i also have my own account uh i

1554
00:57:26,950 --> 00:57:25,680
doubt it

1555
00:57:28,390 --> 00:57:26,960
all right well the best thing for

1556
00:57:30,710 --> 00:57:28,400
listeners to do is head over to

1557
00:57:32,470 --> 00:57:30,720
doubtfulnews.com

1558
00:57:33,990 --> 00:57:32,480
all the information is there and i think

1559
00:57:37,510 --> 00:57:34,000
there's still time to vote for your

1560
00:57:39,910 --> 00:57:37,520
favorite doubtful news story of 2013.

1561
00:57:40,870 --> 00:57:39,920
yeah they hurry if they hurry if they

1562
00:57:42,390 --> 00:57:40,880
hurt

1563
00:57:44,390 --> 00:57:42,400
sharon hill all the way from

1564
00:57:46,549 --> 00:57:44,400
pennsylvania and who likes to visit new

1565
00:57:47,829 --> 00:57:46,559
york i'm sure from time to time thank

1566
00:57:52,150 --> 00:57:47,839
you

1567
00:57:54,870 --> 00:57:52,160
and i do hope we can catch up

1568
00:58:06,230 --> 00:57:54,880
in person sometime in the coming year

1569
00:58:09,030 --> 00:58:07,990
did you see that ufo sighting that made

1570
00:58:10,549 --> 00:58:09,040
the news

1571
00:58:12,710 --> 00:58:10,559
what did that latest study about

1572
00:58:14,630 --> 00:58:12,720
alternative treatments really say

1573
00:58:15,750 --> 00:58:14,640
is this photo making the rounds real or

1574
00:58:17,430 --> 00:58:15,760
a hoax

1575
00:58:19,190 --> 00:58:17,440
duffle news is a unique website

1576
00:58:21,430 --> 00:58:19,200
featuring news about pseudoscience the

1577
00:58:23,829 --> 00:58:21,440
paranormal anomalies and questionable

1578
00:58:26,150 --> 00:58:23,839
claims framed with the skeptical view

1579
00:58:28,069 --> 00:58:26,160
come visit doubtfulnews.com every day

1580
00:58:31,270 --> 00:58:28,079
for news about cryptozoology

1581
00:58:34,069 --> 00:58:31,280
conspiracies shams scams and more

1582
00:58:35,510 --> 00:58:34,079
follow us on twitter at doubtfulnews

1583
00:58:38,150 --> 00:58:35,520
critical thinking is essential in

1584
00:58:40,150 --> 00:58:38,160
assessing today's news duffle news helps

1585
00:58:51,589 --> 00:58:40,160
you decide can you really believe this

1586
00:58:54,950 --> 00:58:53,510
stefan that burger looks damn good

1587
00:58:56,630 --> 00:58:54,960
richard it's it's been how long's this

1588
00:58:58,630 --> 00:58:56,640
show an hour and i'm still i'm still

1589
00:59:01,829 --> 00:58:58,640
eating that's that's how amazing this

1590
00:59:03,829 --> 00:59:01,839
did how big this dish is

1591
00:59:05,670 --> 00:59:03,839
i'm still only halfway through the chips

1592
00:59:07,190 --> 00:59:05,680
it's true it's true you're still going

1593
00:59:08,470 --> 00:59:07,200
through after all this time i can't

1594
00:59:11,750 --> 00:59:08,480
believe it

1595
00:59:14,710 --> 00:59:11,760
what a great show episode 269. oh wow

1596
00:59:16,950 --> 00:59:14,720
and episode 270 will be coming from

1597
00:59:18,549 --> 00:59:16,960
auckland oh really i'll be in auckland

1598
00:59:21,430 --> 00:59:18,559
what are you doing over there i'm making

1599
00:59:23,990 --> 00:59:21,440
my way slowly to uh san francisco

1600
00:59:25,430 --> 00:59:24,000
via auckland yeah it's a long story

1601
00:59:27,190 --> 00:59:25,440
right

1602
00:59:28,710 --> 00:59:27,200
that's just the way that things worked

1603
00:59:29,750 --> 00:59:28,720
out in the airfares and the travel and

1604
00:59:32,870 --> 00:59:29,760
the

1605
00:59:34,710 --> 00:59:32,880
of thing you've been to auckland before

1606
00:59:36,789 --> 00:59:34,720
yeah it was there last year yeah oh it's

1607
00:59:38,309 --> 00:59:36,799
very nice city it is and what surprised

1608
00:59:40,390 --> 00:59:38,319
me and auckland listeners will know what

1609
00:59:42,789 --> 00:59:40,400
i mean is it gets really humid hot

1610
00:59:44,950 --> 00:59:42,799
humidity oh really ah

1611
00:59:47,109 --> 00:59:44,960
i was surprised but yes it's quite quite

1612
00:59:48,789 --> 00:59:47,119
steamy anyway that's hopefully where the

1613
00:59:51,510 --> 00:59:48,799
show will become if not it'll be coming

1614
00:59:53,349 --> 00:59:51,520
from california oh yeah uh and but a

1615
00:59:55,270 --> 00:59:53,359
merry christmas stephanie i won't see

1616
00:59:57,430 --> 00:59:55,280
you before the new year and a happy

1617
00:59:59,190 --> 00:59:57,440
start to 2014. it's going to be a big

1618
01:00:00,630 --> 00:59:59,200
one and of course the the predictions

1619
01:00:01,430 --> 01:00:00,640
that that's going to be the fun the fun

1620
01:00:03,190 --> 01:00:01,440
part we're going to make some

1621
01:00:05,349 --> 01:00:03,200
predictions next week aren't we we are

1622
01:00:07,829 --> 01:00:05,359
just before i go and before you go in

1623
01:00:09,270 --> 01:00:07,839
fact probably just after this

1624
01:00:10,549 --> 01:00:09,280
we're going to record a segment for next

1625
01:00:12,230 --> 01:00:10,559
week's show where we're going to look

1626
01:00:14,789 --> 01:00:12,240
back at the psychic predictions for

1627
01:00:16,710 --> 01:00:14,799
2013. that'll be coming up on the next

1628
01:00:19,270 --> 01:00:16,720
episode you didn't see much of nelson

1629
01:00:21,349 --> 01:00:19,280
mandela there did we no i don't think so

1630
01:00:22,630 --> 01:00:21,359
i don't think so and i think listeners

1631
01:00:24,309 --> 01:00:22,640
will be interested to know who won the

1632
01:00:26,150 --> 01:00:24,319
federal election here in australia this

1633
01:00:27,190 --> 01:00:26,160
year well yes of course but and we'll be

1634
01:00:29,030 --> 01:00:27,200
trying to make a few predictions

1635
01:00:31,510 --> 01:00:29,040
ourselves won't be that we will check in

1636
01:00:32,549 --> 01:00:31,520
in 12 months time we will do that

1637
01:00:34,630 --> 01:00:32,559
well

1638
01:00:36,230 --> 01:00:34,640
my goodness me are you still plowing

1639
01:00:38,230 --> 01:00:36,240
your way through those burgers and chips

1640
01:00:40,549 --> 01:00:38,240
it's quite incredible you do that stefan

1641
01:00:43,349 --> 01:00:40,559
and until next time this is

1642
01:00:44,870 --> 01:00:43,359
the skeptic zones stephen soyker and

1643
01:00:47,510 --> 01:00:44,880
richard saunders signing off from the

1644
01:00:50,069 --> 01:00:47,520
cantonby hillston park rsl club down the

1645
01:00:51,990 --> 01:00:50,079
end of the street yes and what a lovely

1646
01:00:58,710 --> 01:00:52,000
club it is too what a lovely club see

1647
01:01:01,910 --> 01:01:00,390
you've been listening to the skeptic

1648
01:01:06,710 --> 01:01:01,920
zone